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Monday, July 31, 2006
10:57 - Okay, so he is Looney Tunes
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2087-2292336,00.html

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Well, modulo this thing about Mel Gibson turning out to be true (which I suppose it must be, since there's been no challenge to it in a few days), I guess I'll have to take back what I said back when Trey and Matt lampooned him in South Park:

Uh, yeah, he's bonkers as portrayed in South Park, all right-- hootin' and hollerin', leaping around his mansion in what may as well have been a rotoscoped Daffy Duck routine. However: I don't know what Gibsonian antics Sullivan is thinking of, but I've seen no evidence that Mel deserves the treatment that South Park gave him.

The episode is all about how The Passion supposedly states in no uncertain terms that The Jews™ are collectively to blame for killing Jesus, which naturally inspires Cartman to don full Hitlerian regalia and begin leading marches against synagogues (until it's revealed to him that Mel Gibson is in fact kaka-cuckoo, upon which discovery he retires home in abashment). I guess Parker and Stone must have seen the movie, but it seems to me that they must have deliberately missed the point of it, because the South Park episode in question is founded on a straw-man argument and ultimately ends up being weak and confusing.

What I saw in the movie in question was that some Jews were unsympathetic characters and some Jews were not. And the ones that were unsympathetic were so through being self-interested rather than pure evil, as Trey and Matt lampooned the depiction later.

And more importantly, an argument that I can't believe hasn't occurred to more people:

Besides which, there's the seemingly important argument that the narrative paints Jesus' death as predestined-- that the whole point of his birth and life as a human was to suffer and die for everybody else's sins. (Parker and Stone bring up this point, but don't bother addressing it.) Without that unjust death, that martyrdom, there would be no Christianity-- Jesus, divine or not, would have lived an obscure life of traveling ministry, evidently never to make an impact on theology through the ages. Which makes the question of "who killed Jesus?" rather moot, it seems to me; are the people who blame it on the Jews actually saying they'd prefer it if there had been no Crucifixion, and therefore no Christianity?

Thinking back on the movie, these are still the main thoughts in my head. But I guess Trey and Matt know something I don't, huh? They apparently saw a subtext in the movie that I missed completely, and couldn't see even when they tried to point it out—and they were proven right in the long term.

I'll never doubt them again.


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